I personally think its beautiful, it tells the truth of this world that everything comes down to coincidence and sequence of things happening, you could have been fiercely loyal to your worst enemy if not for these things, when someone forgives their enemy they face this undeniable truth of life, that we are puppets to our loyalty and love

It's true. Narutards were right all along.

Sure, i think the thing people have an issue with more so than the literal forgiveness is the often tangled-up idea that you should therefore just let an entity clearly capable of causing loads of harm under slight malicious influence or even just by mistake go. Noone is fully to blame for their actions, and in a better world they might have been a friend, but so long as the expected outcome of their future actions is still the suffering of others, you do have a moral obligation to destroy them. Forgiveness or no. Kill with kindness whenever possible, but do kill. Futurity will not look kindly upon bright eyed mercy for the sake of mercy

forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing, I just want to say I was right, I dont believe anyone has the type of control to choose their circumstances or change how they feel or the bravery to literally take the highroad, we're all monkeys in a cage we're fucked and its ok

>>4
The fact that you have personally made peace with it does not make it okay. I for one believe that being caged and fucked is rather bad actually and that clawing at the bars is a much more defensible position than some faux-enlightened serenity

what do you mean with " clawing at the bars" in this mundane day to day context?

>>6
"trying the fuck anyway". I sure hope >>4 is being hyperbolic when they say that no-one has the control to change their circumstances or the bravery to take the high road. The spoons to do it are scarce and hard to come by, and i too forgive failures, but it does happen. People do it. I've done it. Clawing at the bars means trying every single time even though the failure rate is high. I wouldn't call it a cage in the first place, pretty taught elastic leash fits better, but if we have to go with their cage metaphor then it is at the very least not a perfect one. Sometimes the monkeys manage to chew through the bars, and they sure as fuck don't do that when they have been psy-opd into placidity. for specific examples? I don't know, not wasting energy on harming someone who has slighted you if you don't get anything out of it? moving or otherwise breaking off from a toxic environment. Basic golden rule shit of being kind to strangers above and beyond common courtesy or posturing. It is possible to make this whole society thing work, you know. You don't have to shred all value in defection cascades.

>>7
if you are so smart then why aren't you the most happy person on earth?

>>8
I never said I'm particularly smart, though I guess I'll take the compliment. To my mind persistence is a different virtue entirely. As for why I'm not the happiest person on earth, it seems that you are misunderstanding brains. Our happiness is not primarily determined by how good our situation is or how well we're doing. A brief glance at global happiness statistics should be enough to tell you as much. They keep their respective baseline, and beyond pharmaceutical intervention there isn't very much one can do about that. I've gotten a good bit *happier*, but it's probably saner to attribute that to the general shift of neurotransmitter equilibria that comes with ageing as opposed to any particular course of action. For this reason among others, happiness is probably a pretty ill-chosen target to be aspiring to. I achieve more of my goals than the average person, and I've made myself pretty useful to others. Playing ones part in making the world nicer seems a much more fruitful path than personal bliss imo. Again: golden rule. It's what I'd want others to do.

>>9
if you are not the most happy person on earth, wtf do you teach others how to live properly?

if you kill your enemy, they win

>>10
I'm sorry, you're making it very hard to not parse your position as something absurd. Two questions:
1 Do you actually think that people would be having the best time if they took counsel from the happiest person on earth, or do you think that they’re probably some useless rando with a very out-of-distribution brain chemistry and that collectively following their example would cause everything to crash and burn even worse than it already is. Do you genuinely believe this would be a good thing for people’s well-being?
2 even if that was a good heuristic for whom to listen to (batshit assumption, but let’s roll with it): Do you genuinely believe that teaching is only permissible by the literal most competent person in their field? No advice from anyone who’s merely pretty good, or –you know– a competent tutor. There’s plenty of examples of the-best-of-their-field being terrible educators, because that is simply an entirely separate skill, so, do you think that (if happiness worked the way you’re alleging it does) people would get most happy by listening to the happiest person, or is it perhaps more likely that someone else in the upper percentile is better at actually conveying the relevant bits? I am not saying I am this person, though I am –I think– happier than average. This is just an exercise in figuring out what on earth you’re even saying.

>>11
airlocked.

>>11
nonsense
>>8
what is with this site's users having the most brain-dead logic possible? being smart equals to being happy somehow? I couldn't come up with something more nonsensical if i tried and trained for 100 years. if someone was the smarted person alive, why would he even want to be "happy"? why would he even mind his temporary feelings if he's smart enough to control his worldly passions like being muh happy? you know who's worried about happiness? kids are. women are. idiots are. not fucking smart men. it's the least of his fucking worries. imagine the world is collapsing right in front of you and since you're so smart you have the power to fix it, would you jerk off your emotions for happiness? no you fucking wouldn't. thats what a idiot would do.

>>15

fuck fuck fuck

take meds

>>16

take meds

would you like to point out anything "schizo" about what I said? rejecting hedonism is actually a common idea and was prominent for most of recorded history. what I really find "schizo" is thinking that the smartest option is to just "try to be as happiest as possible bruh"

>>18
you removed the "and was prominent for most of recorded history"
modern "normies" like you are the ones promoting hedonism and idiocy.

>>19
normies call healthy and happy life "hedonism".

>>20
This is just plain wrong.
See

modern "normies" like you are the ones promoting hedonism and idiocy.

Amd there's nothing healthy or truly "happy" about hedonistical lifestyled