the fact that someone is bored by a single discussion, even after inquiry about it just isn't a very good example.
You're still claiming it was a single discussion which is strange. I implied that this was not the case in my prior comment but I will explain it more clearly now. It was many, many attempts at discussion over the months I lived with him.
maybe that was just a complete facade
He would tell you now that it was. He would also tell you now that "Norminess is next to godliness." Literally. He would also tell you that all of his videos were deleted because they were promoting negative values that he now (for sure) disagrees with, that he only performatively believed at the time due to serious mental health issues.
basically anyone who is any good at software shit has /some/ level of introspection.
Introspection with respect to software, sure. But not necessarily the human experience, or their own experience. I would ask him a lot about himself and I would not describe his responses as the product of "boredom" as you've repeatedly attempted to frame them. I would describe them as the result of him "not thinking anything", as he rather bluntly put it.
if the example were, some random person you tried talking to at your janitor job, then maybe it would feel a little more on the mark. you know... a fucking normie...
So we're reaching a strange place now. Do you have to be working in an entry level job to be a normie in your eyes? I know that's probably not what you're saying, but the fact that you've drawn up certain careers (at least programming) as being ostensibly less-normie is interesting.
I fully admit that the example I gave was not the most easily understandable for a general audience. But for me and my friends (the people I primarily make videos for), the example of kearesu was funny and relatable. Because n0 and everyone else knows exactly what I'm talking about when the say the things about him that I said. You might not. But maybe you got filtered normie ;>
I do accept that normie is used commonly purely as an ingroup-outgroup slur. "we aren't normies, they are" it doesn't matter who "they" are, just that "we" aren't "them" so in part I agree that it's often meaningless.
My problem isn't just that it's a commonly used ingroup-outgroup slur. It's that even the most fervent advocates for the term struggle to define it. Everywhere you go, everywhere who's using it has a different definition. Where do you think the endless arguments on 4chan and discord over who isn't and is a normie come from? I've sat in the background during so many of these childish discussions of grown folks trying to prove who is a bigger "loser" in society. It's so strange.
But if everyone always gave up any time words had multiple conflicting meanings and usages, then we wouldn't have language at all.
That is true but most words, while they do have conflicting meanings and usages, have a succinct explanation for each context in which they're used. The daylight between one person's perception of almost any of these words we're thinking of, is usually not vast. Unless we're getting into like, highly specific usages that exist in say, slang. Normie is a word the definition evaded long ago. If a definition ever existed in the first place.
the only real normie is the one you have constructed in your head and use as a model for basic human interactions where you don't want to make any waves. And in fact it may be that all the "normies" we see are, in fact, doing that same thing.
This is a compelling idea. What you described is something we all do. It sounds almost like code-switching, which is something pretty much everyone is capable of and does. But a bit deeper. You're definitely getting at something.
people who are just satisfied by their 9-5, 2-4 beers and 5 hours of whatever programing the corponet provides them. but maybe they are "instinctual non-introspective people". thinking nothing. i would struggle to call such a creature human.
There's your normie, then. It surprises me you haven't met someone like that. They're everywhere. I feel like I have met and attempted to engage with countless people that meet that description, albeit with other professions. I used to describe them almost like vermin. Now, I just think they make for really bad conversation.
but i guess my point is - the video is bad and does a bad job explaining your point. that is core from which my vitriol stem. My proof is that post you made is much more clear, and would be a 3 minute video.
That's no reason to be rude to me or make libelous unsubstantiated claims about me and my character. You are acting in good faith now because I'm directly speaking to you. Which says a lot. I do not like you.
You're right that the video does a bad job of explaining my point. Some of my vlogs miss the mark like that. I decided earlier this year that in future vlogs I'd improve with extensive notes and retakes if necessary because it got boring making these "thought experiment" vlogs without any preparation. The video you've made the conscious decision to be a cunt to me over, is definitely not one I would make today. The topic is deserving of a video that had more time in the oven.
You're still claiming it was a single discussion which is strange. I implied that this was not the case in my prior comment but I will explain it more clearly now. It was many, many attempts at discussion over the months I lived with him.
He would tell you now that it was. He would also tell you now that "Norminess is next to godliness." Literally. He would also tell you that all of his videos were deleted because they were promoting negative values that he now (for sure) disagrees with, that he only performatively believed at the time due to serious mental health issues.
Introspection with respect to software, sure. But not necessarily the human experience, or their own experience. I would ask him a lot about himself and I would not describe his responses as the product of "boredom" as you've repeatedly attempted to frame them. I would describe them as the result of him "not thinking anything", as he rather bluntly put it.
So we're reaching a strange place now. Do you have to be working in an entry level job to be a normie in your eyes? I know that's probably not what you're saying, but the fact that you've drawn up certain careers (at least programming) as being ostensibly less-normie is interesting.
I fully admit that the example I gave was not the most easily understandable for a general audience. But for me and my friends (the people I primarily make videos for), the example of kearesu was funny and relatable. Because n0 and everyone else knows exactly what I'm talking about when the say the things about him that I said. You might not. But maybe you got filtered normie ;>
My problem isn't just that it's a commonly used ingroup-outgroup slur. It's that even the most fervent advocates for the term struggle to define it. Everywhere you go, everywhere who's using it has a different definition. Where do you think the endless arguments on 4chan and discord over who isn't and is a normie come from? I've sat in the background during so many of these childish discussions of grown folks trying to prove who is a bigger "loser" in society. It's so strange.
That is true but most words, while they do have conflicting meanings and usages, have a succinct explanation for each context in which they're used. The daylight between one person's perception of almost any of these words we're thinking of, is usually not vast. Unless we're getting into like, highly specific usages that exist in say, slang. Normie is a word the definition evaded long ago. If a definition ever existed in the first place.
This is a compelling idea. What you described is something we all do. It sounds almost like code-switching, which is something pretty much everyone is capable of and does. But a bit deeper. You're definitely getting at something.
There's your normie, then. It surprises me you haven't met someone like that. They're everywhere. I feel like I have met and attempted to engage with countless people that meet that description, albeit with other professions. I used to describe them almost like vermin. Now, I just think they make for really bad conversation.
That's no reason to be rude to me or make libelous unsubstantiated claims about me and my character. You are acting in good faith now because I'm directly speaking to you. Which says a lot. I do not like you.
You're right that the video does a bad job of explaining my point. Some of my vlogs miss the mark like that. I decided earlier this year that in future vlogs I'd improve with extensive notes and retakes if necessary because it got boring making these "thought experiment" vlogs without any preparation. The video you've made the conscious decision to be a cunt to me over, is definitely not one I would make today. The topic is deserving of a video that had more time in the oven.