When i was younger i used to hate the use of the word fascism in most contexts, as i thought it had lost all meaning due to it being overused by braindead people. But lately, aka the past few years in uni, ive come to understand that if we follow the most academically agreed upon etymologies of the word, lets say umberto eco's un-fascism for example, i came to find that most people in my daily life seem to be fascists. Fascists not in the alt right way, but more so in the way that any opinion differing from theirs is seen as "demonic" and so they feel like lying in order to protect the greater good is something that has to happen in order to disprove your deplorable and perverted opinions. A path that has lead me to feel that trying to not be a fascist is kind of futile. Has capitalism doomed our idea of freedom alltogether or am i just in my may 68 arc

all fascism is a homogeneous society enjoying a private moment publicly in a way its extending the private space to everywhere, it does get ugly when they start persecuting random minorities true, trying to fix fascim is a bit like rewriting a program, how tf are you going to change the experiences that shape ones reality you cant, outlawing violent crime and persecution/obvious discrimination does work however

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the fact that they are trying to enjoy "something private" in public does not make what i said less valid. Obviously you cant rewrite everyones experiences as if they were a computer program, but you can criticize them. Fascism leads to the ideas of the few becoming massive and in a way further adds to an even more retarded version of capitalism, that of moralizng

>>3 fascism is all about speaking the ideas of the many outloud, also what makes you think criticism would work, we're talking about someone who's worldview exists around 2 things a caste system and permanent impending economic doom

>>4 fascism is not only a political ideology but a lifestyle as well, as funny as that might sound. When i am talking about fascism i am not talking about the classic political ones, but the ones who do no know that they are fascists, the ones who use fascist methods in their daily life. Here are the two points from ur fascism that i am refering to:

Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture, the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

>>5 you can scale fascists by how easy it is for one to say the most insane shit without any ramifications (going back to the private space thing) also a fascist simultaneously believes their own group is a persecuted victim,but also above everyone else, the disagreement is treason thing is interesting cause if within the group there are disagreements that would make it less homogeneous and smaller creating another outgroup to hate, I think the moment fascist believe they are the masters of public space, its over cause the responsibility to keep everything as you want it falls onto you and you become this neurotic spiraling out of control up in everyone's business

really interesrting take, makes me wonder what happens when fascists dont even know they are fascists

well no fascist would ever admit they are one, cause in their head its more like im helping/protecting my team or tribe or town or family,thats why poeple in less populated places are more facist cause you're are the only fuckers there you might as well be fuck it, protecting my wife and kids against the big bad world.

im a fascist

its that shrimple

no one cares to tke the high road and just call out "fascists" i think that the real interesting part of this convo is that fascism lies inside the subcontious and that its not really that much of an alien thing, so for you to not be a fascist youd have to actually try in your daily life and not just ignore the fact.

I feel like we're muddling the definition way too much. Someone who simply lives an unexamined life shouldn't be considered a fascist, that's completely nuts.

The basic principle of fascism is that you're uncaring of personal freedoms in favor of "advancing" the group/tribe/state, that you're willing to openly attack people in daily life for not falling in line. It is tribalism taken to an extreme, where the main thought is "you're with us or you're against us (either by belief or by nature), and if you're against us, there is no limit to what we will do to you".

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continuing from this, fascism on a personal level should be just that, an extreme
it isn't a useful label if it is not describing those who aren't explicitly pulling for an in group vs an out group and trying to openly attack the out group in some way

without that, the definition is basically "this person doesn't like someone else"
actual hate is required to be fascist, or at least an unwillingness to have peace with someone else for not being a part of a group, which would become hate if continued anyway

you could say that most theoretic things that originate from academia are "useless" and you would be kinda right, because academics like to be elitists and gatekeep the true meaning of those words, by learning what fascism is and actually talking about it and reading about it, you are deterritorializing it from the retarded people in academia. This way you not only have a deeper understaning of things said but you also avoid being taken advantage of from the forementioned elitist academics. Knowing that most people are fascists one way or another helps you understand human behavior on a way deeper level than the bs we are being fed

fascists laugh at eco's work

true, but that doesnt disqualify it from being used as a tool to understand it further

Fascists are not that different from you

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8ALTkMpPLuU&pp=ygUPTG9vayB3aG8ncyBiYWNr

>>17 im going to suppose that you said that in a not so rude tone, because i agree, everyone is a fascist in a way because everyone wants to be part of the cool tribe and then protect that tribe from outsiders. Personally, i dont want to be so primitive but that might be a bit narcissistic. i think i made it extremely clear earlier, no one cares to get on the ethical high ground and be like "oh you dirty fascists" or at least that not my goal. Moreover i never talked about the nazis purely because i dont care about politics at all, i only care about how people think

>>17 great movie btw

I'm reminded of the conclusion of an essay by Erich Fromm I read recently, "Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem" by Erich Fromm. The thesis of the essay is that when people obey what they believe to be their own conscience, they are actually obeying internalised authority.

The case of Adolf Eichmann is symbolic of our situation and has a significance far beyond the one which his accusers in the courtroom in Jerusalem were concerned with. Eichmann is a symbol of the organization man, of the alienated bureaucrat for whom men, women and children have become numbers. He is a symbol of all of us. We can see ourselves in Eichmann. But the most frightening thing about him is that after the entire story was told in terms of his own admissions, he was able in perfect good faith to plead his innocence. It is clear that if he were once more in the same situation he would do it again. And so would we—and so do we.

The organization man has lost the capacity to disobey, he is not even aware of the fact that he obeys. At this point in history the capacity to doubt, to criticize and to disobey may be all that stands between a future for mankind and the end of civilization.

Oops my brain shitted and I mentioned Fromm's name twice. I hope this doesn't lead anyone to disregard my post. Forgive me I'm sleepy.

what makes someone a fash is ease, the ease to dehumanize someone the ease to disregard human life as sacred, for a fash these things are as easy as farting, theres almost no genuine malice at play here, no ramifications (again), no consequences, no shame, in their personal worldview these things are totally justified and even the correct thing to do and if you ask their associates you would get the same answer, fascism only works because communities enable it

I don’t know if i am self reporting like crazy here, but i find it extremely hard to actually feel like other people actually exist, and honestly i’m not so sure that it is even possible to actually comprehend that people around us all have their own lives. I could completely disregard you as a human being and still listen to what you’re trying to say purely because i expect that you return the favor, fascists only want their opinion to prevail so they are expecting only an action to happen while ignoring the fact that for the system to reach an equilibrium there has to be an equal reaction. But then again what do we do when a fascist is correct, do we disregard his opinion because he’s a fascist or do we fuel the flame further?

TLDR;
the problem is fash transcend to totalitarian 1984 Anthill.
How do you succeed in life? Is one should follow Viktor Bout way?

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fascists laugh at eco's work

wtf? i love fascists now?

>>25
What's wrong with echo?