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I think you misunderstood what I was saying. It's not that anyone is less of a woman by not playing into these stereotypes. Same for any such cluster. The kind way to look at it is to make the wanting-for-group-inclusion and the various second order effects you get out of that the sole criterion. That's where you get self-id and I think that self-id is the correct route to go. Most of the population doesn't operate by self-id though, and the most surefire way to make them acknowledge your identity is to play into the stereotypes and the stereotypes are regressive because... Well you know why. What the stereotype is shifts significantly over time, but it doesn't lag behind the women's movement at every step since the cutting edge is never the accepted paradigm. I don't disagree that this is highly defect-y. It actively worsens the ratchet for everyone else, but I'm also not in the business of telling desperate people to suck it up and put themselves last. People defect constantly, and while that *is* terrible, singling transfems out for it is odd