A response blog to Denpa 2:
https://animelit.com/blog/re-denpa-2-georges-bataille-vs-anime/

animelit

what is this siteplace ...
look! they have a Forum
but I can't post without registration...

I have mixed feelings about Bataille. I am gonna avoid reading that guy from now on.

>>3
He's retarded

Levinas is cool and chill Merleau-Ponty too check them out

Sorry I closed registrations cause I was getting spammers. I can reopen registrations if you want to register tho.

Am I wrong to say these guys seem like ironic weeb hipsters? I only found them through Star, who soon after got into a relationship with another youtuber (I think called Starman), and wouldnt shut the fuck up about him or his discord friend group. His channel has continued to degenerate, and seeing the effect they had on him turned me off from the rest of the "denpa" youtubers.

>>7
>>8
Please stay dude. Nobody posts here...

>>9 someone who takes themselves serious or uses their brain honestly isn't capable of using this site

>>10
sure they can. you just need to click a few buttons and type almost literally anything you want. since you are incapable of creating a change you want to see by posting something you want to see discussed, it seems to me that this is what they call a "skill issue"

>>7
this nigga talking about two videos out of like two thousand

>>11
Its a problem with moderation, for example in the niche video games thread someone started blogposting about how they only played Bioshock (not a niche video game)because of their ex-boyfriend. Also, people post like I would expect them to on Discord. Short, low effort, all lower case, overuse of abbreviations etc.
>>12
I probably should have made another thread and I dont dislike the guy but him and the others still give me that "feeling" for lack of a better term.

>>13
Chans are not supposed to be heavily moderated. The communities tend to be self-governing and sometimes that leads to good outcomes. Other times not so much. But that's part of being on a chan. The mediocrity is often a part of the charm.

I do agree with you that short, low effort, all lower case posts with abbreviations are a problem. Unfortunately, it is a problem seen all too often on every chan these days. Zoomers do not how to type. Maybe we could find a way to filter them a bit better? I don't know.

It's not entirely clear what "feeling" you are referring to. I don't think it's a reasonable one given the evidence available to us right now. Generally, the people who make statements like this were put off by one or two denpa videos years ago and never came back. So, they didn't follow the improvements as they were made. Opting to, instead, make strong statements based on vague memories that have only become more vague over time.

>>14
Im not even saying heavily moderate it, just delete low effort posts and people speaking in ebonics.

It's not entirely clear what "feeling" you are referring to

Ok Ill give an example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh2pjUY-Kmo
Im guessing someone made fun of him for liking anime because he keeps talking about how people want to take it away from him, and then he proceeds to say the appeal of anime is solely escapism (in his words "we dont want to exist") Which just sounds really edgy and failed normalfagish to me.
A comment sums it up well: >I don't agree with the sentiment that engaging in an artistic medium serves the purpose of 'dissolving oneself'. The value of art is completely lost by doing that; how to disrespect art and yourself for meaningless escapism. If what you said is true, then anime and otaku culture is just a product to pacify the people it appeals to and nothing more. It holds no artistic value, nor is it valuable in anyway.

What I don't understand is that you're applying a framework of values, that the socialized majority hold, and evaluating anime/otakuism (and yourself) through that. Rather than being an individual and liking these things because they're valuable in and of itself, your faith in doing that is constantly challenged. Because on the inside, you're actually a normie. You haven't individuated yourself sufficiently. Otherwise, why would an abstract concept, that only comprises of people that you don't share your values, hold so much power over you?

>>15
You have misunderstood my position, probably because I did a bad job of explaining myself.
It is my belief that there is no value in art, at least not the sorts of values which have traditionally been associated with art. It seems to me that art gets placed on a pedestal as this sacred object when that is not my experience as audience or artist, and that attitude has been how we've ended up with absurd concepts like "copyright" and "celebrity", which have been detrimental. You can even see my point in this comment. The commenter seems upset that I would "disrespect art", but it's just taken as a given that art is something deserving of respect. If I disrespect a person, I can cause them some sort of distress or harm. I can't cause harm to a picture by treating it as profane, because it has no sentience and cannot experience distress.
The normie is only interested in anime in so far as it meets their criteria for being "art" and therefore sacred. Ghibli films, Bebop, etc. The sorts of anime which openly signal "I am art, I am meaningful" in a way that someone not immersed in the culture can pick up on. Works within niche, otaku genres such as harem, slice of life, isekai, eroge, these do not hold the same sacred value as Totoro, they don't pass the test as art, and become classed as slop. Maybe I'm strawmaning here but I hope you can accept my premise for now. My attitude is, rather than trying to rescue my favorite genres from that derision, to say "no, they actually should fit into your criteria", instead I'm saying "well, no art is actually important. There is no transcendental value or meaning here. It's just as valid for me to say I like this harem isekai because I find the girls cute as any other criterea for what constitutes artistic value."
This "we don't want to exist" part and "they're trying to take anime away from me" was kind of just me going schizo at the time in a strange bout of paranoia. At the time I was feeling a strong sense that as anime becomes more popular in the mainstream, more and more the otaku industry will cater to that mainstream while sanitizing the more uncouth elements, the elements which may preclude it from entering the category of "art". The sort of attitude of people who refer to eroge as "gooner games", has a real tangible effect as platforms like steam refuse to host that content, governments become pressured into making certain content illegal (like how tokyo banned blood related incest on tv), it becomes harder for the industry to make a profit, and the genre dies. It's not that I care what these people think, it's that if they're the majority, the industry will cater to them. I could go on to address some of your other points but this is already a wall of text. Anyway I'm glad my video is sparking discussion, even if it's due to my poor communication skills.

Wrote a response to n0's response to my post responding to his denpa 2 video.

Unfortunately it seems I can't post the link to it here. Probably because of the spam protection. Anyway you can find my post on the animelit site desu.

>>17
something i want to comment about this is that consumption and production do not need to be correlated at all. it is only because of the sickness of capitalism that there is anything that seems to be correlation and this false correlation is most false for digital media. copies are free. access limitations are artificial. views are botted.

in general your whole reply reads to me a bit like you are deeply stuck in the "it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitialism" problem.

>>15

What I don't understand is that you're applying a framework of values, that the socialized majority hold, and evaluating anime/otakuism (and yourself) through that.

The self is always recognized through the other. Identity cannot exist without other frameworks to contrast it with.

>>18
That's interesting but I would say that at the very least making more copies of data encourages the production of the physical infrastructure needed to host data because it increases the demand for computing equipment/power. For example, if you torrent anime you might end up needing to buy an external hard drive thus encouraging the external drive industry to build more, furthermore the electricity consumed to make copies will also encourage for the increased production of electricity. So in this sense the consumption incentivises more production. Also very often even if you may not spend a dime yourself, your consumption itself encourages more production by giving attention to the product (and thus creating more demand). For instance, you might buy or encourage someone else to buy physical merch related to the digital media you consume by disseminating digital copies or you might simply encourage more production when the creator sees all the attention/discussion that his freely disseminated art is getting thanks to all the talk created by the mass dissemination of his art. For example, take how an illustrator who sees that his art is popular might be incentivised to create/produce more art simply because of the attention that his freely disseminated copies of his art is getting rather than because of a monetary motive. This is an example of consumption leading to more production even if access is free. Also someone just might commission them or even another artist to make more similar artworks. In either case leading to more production. I think the point is that even if access limitations are reduced/removed.

>>15
Sir, reddit is that way.

>>16

Anime is trash and so am I

Sorry, but you're diagnosed as an ironic weeb. 以上

>>23
post MAL.

>>24
???
You meant "MAL post"? I don't use MAL even for getting anime info (let alone for the forums or reviews), I'm an AniDB bro.

PAL most